10 reasons I’m still fighting ‘Brexit’ a month on!

  1. The Lisbon Article 50 is a brutal process where nothing can be done for 2 years, and then several years after spent negotiating trade deals etc, which in my view would be a disaster for the economy which has already started to shrink before Leaving has begun.
  2. The legality of the referendum has been brought up by lawyers as it was meant to be advisory and MP’s have the final say in a vote. Also £5 Billion has been quoted as the figure for lawyers fees to sort out our laws etc in the decade ahead.
  3. The lies used by Leave campaigners especially the £350 million extra a week for the NHS, what else were they hiding behind?
  4. The uncertainty surrounding science research funding and attracting scientists and students to the UK since the result, with the UK’s world-leading position in these areas now being in jeopardy.
  5. The large projects EU funding has given us in Wales and Cornwall for example, with future funding not guaranteed by our governments.
  6. The EU is about peace and moving Europe on from a history of conflict, especially in the 20th century.
  7. The chance that Scotland, and possibly Northern Ireland could break away from the UK and remain in the EU, and border controls becoming an issue.
  8. The division the campaigning created with hostility, we now need to unite as a country and with our neighbours to sort out this mess!
  9. Theresa May has said “Brexit means Brexit!” but no one has made it clear what that will actually be in how we negotiate our place with the EU and the world.
  10. The freedom to travel freely across Europe we could loose which would affect University’s here and abroad as well as the price of holidays.
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7 comments

    • Dan Warren · July 29, 2016

      We are allowed our opinion and have the right to protest against a result I think will be a disaster. The piece you mention seems simplistic and doesn’t take into account the complexities and positives of the EU.

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  1. David Pryce · July 29, 2016

    you indeed are and you indeed should. I would have done the same. I completely respect you right to do so.
    The EU could have retained some modicum of value had it given real meaningful powers to their parliament rather then the absurdities of the polit bureau corrupt commision and the irrelevance of the council.

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    • Dan Warren · July 29, 2016

      Thanks for the discussion. I respect your views too, and know the EU is not perfect but better to stay within and change than leave without a say?

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  2. David Pryce · July 29, 2016

    Thats the argument (stay in & reform) but I disagree. It’s inherently and organically not capable of changing? Where do you even begin? Who will take the lead? Where do you build conces from and who do you involve in the process? There are so many disparate vested interests it’s a monolith incapable of change. I believe you would have to literally see it destroy itself and then restart. How it would/could look is anyones guess. Their are arguments for a common defence policy which inlight of islamism have merit. As a brexiteer I’m not even fundamentally agains free movement of European labour – it needs to be controlled and measured (any country needs to know how many ppl ilve in it at any one time) otherwise how do you ensure public services, housing etc are catered for.
    Out of the points you made above – point 4 & partly 10 I can agree with. This is a loss and it’s indeed where younger ppl feel really disenfranchised and it needs addressing. I cannot go along with the EU being some kind of altruistic instrument of peace in the 20th century. NATO can to some extent take that accolade – but I cannot recall any wars that the EU prevented. Further its interference in the former yugoslavia was shameful and more recently it’s interference with a democratically elected govt in Ukraine also very unhelpful.
    No doubt you may think I’m naive but I also think that the NHS ‘lie’ is simplyover played by remain. I don’t doubt it was careless and not accurate but i doubt the level of impact this or many other economic arguments towards the end result had. I really think most brexiteers had largely made their mind up very early on (even before) the campaign regarding how they would vote. Similarly I think there were more remainers in the ‘swing’ bracket – many making their minds up at the last moment.
    I get brexit is frought with uncertainty and complication. We don’t know what we voted for, but I see it as the lesser of two evils.
    Baudet in the link I sent you summarises it well. I think the democratic deficit ranks/resonates so much with voters. The EU today is a very outdated form of governance. The old democratic institute it has – the parliament is powerless. I mean our own HoL has even more powers – or at least exercised them.
    The commision is arrogant, ineffective and treaties often borne from the wishes of the powerful lobby groups which surround Brussels. I’ll be mocked for saying this but I feel in generations to come Brexit will be see as a the begining of a significant tipping point and that pupils in 50 yrs time will read aghast at the type of institution the EU currently is..
    I apologies whole heartedly for my abrasive and brutal initial comment. It wasn’t necessary.
    I hope by expanding a bit on how and why I voted as I did it creates at least more understanding which I hope creates some better goodwill somehow between us both in our different ‘camps’

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  3. Dan Warren · July 30, 2016

    Thanks for replying and you do make some interesting points. I still believe things can change for the better as we had a say and negotiations can be made. From your own point about a tipping point, the EU changed for the better could be a view in the future. I was always going to vote Remain as could see the many positives including the two you agreed with above. I am angry about the lack of a ‘Brexit’ plan and even our government banning civil servants from making one in the belief we wouldn’t be getting this outcome. Also those who advocated ‘Take Back Control’ seemed to have run away hiding and avoided responsibility. I also hope understanding and coming together on both sides, to heal the divisions that this referendum has shown up.

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  4. smerlinchesters · August 3, 2016

    The Leave vote was born out of many internal issues, only a few due to EU bureaucracy and its bureaucratic apparat. I disagree with Brexiteers about this rosy future. Although I don’t see a rosy future altogether because the whole world is really messed up in many regards, but pulling the drawbridge up really stinks of nationalism, isolationism and xenophobia. In a few words, it is a vote borne out of hate. Hate towards the EU, hate towards the immigration, hate towards Westminster, it can be any hate you ‘like’ but it is still hate. And nothing good was ever born out of hatred, regardless of why you voted in a certain way.

    I also disagree with previous commenters on the NHS. I live in one of the two northern English counties (Cumbria, the other one being Northumberland) and the NHS has been stripped of all services already and none of this is due to the EU. We had protests in the streets the last few days because the CCG Cumbria and the Success Regime are cutting the services that us, the communities, have long claimed they are vital to us. Nothing. That moron Jeremy Hunt (confirmed by May, so he’s not going to resign any time soon) is bent on privatising the NHS, a process that is not certainly due to the EU, again.

    I could go on and on about the rest. This 2-speed county (the rich walled up in the Lake District, the poor walled out in the rest of Cumbria) won’t be better off out of EU because a huge part of the funds were coming from the EU at present, not Westminster. Sorry but Cumbrian leavers have voted to attempt suicide. Or maybe we can all move down south and put a strain on your better NHS. Would you call us economical migrants too?

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